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Article: 13637 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail
From: dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Problem switching from (ancient) shelltool to CDE's dttool (sol 9!)
Date: 20 Aug 2002 12:53:42 -0400
Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp.
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(NOTE: I first intended this to go only
to the Kermit people (my problem with
dttool is only when I dial out to my isp,
for which Kermit is how I dial out).
Just now, as I post this, I decided to
add the solaris group, because if anyone
knows the ins and outs of dttool,
they do.
Just so you know, shelltool is what I've
been using ever since I started using
sun gui's, way back when, and for
dialing out into an isp (first netcom
(shell), then panix (shell)), it's worked
just fine -- well, at least I could read
the screen, and use vi, trn, emacs, etc.
)
By the way, my problem is *urgent* -- I can't
switch over to the blade100, with its just-installed
solaris 9, until I can successfully dttool
(or xtool or whatever, with sun having finally
swiped suntool).
Now, here's what I've prepared to post to
the kermit newsgroup:
------
On my (said to be "behind-the-times") sparcstation-5,
I'm running Solaris 7, which still supports Sun's
ancient original terminal-emulator, "shelltool". It's
always worked just fine for me.
I just got a sunblade100, and have installed on it
the just-released Solaris 9. Nice OS, lots of
nifty features, I'm told.
However, one big problem: no more support
for shelltool, which, after years of threats
>from Sun, doesn't exist on 9. (I'm now wearing
a black armband!)
(I've read, in comp.unix.solaris, that you can't (either
easily, or at all), move the solaris-7 (or 8) shelltool
executable to 9 and have it work, because Sun has also
removed various other things that are needed for
shelltool to run.)
Anyway, it doesn't work too well; I think the
immediate problems can be boiled down to solving
this one problem:
(1) You say "ls -ls", and the screen (at my "shell
account" at the other end, to which I'm dialing into via
kermit) fills with, uh, ls-lines.
Now do "vi some-file" -- all those ls-lines are still
there, just overlaid by the "black" chars in some-file.
You hit ^L -- nothing happens.
You exit or ^Z vi, and try ^L again; still nothing.
You type the cmd "clear"; nothing happens.
---
(Could I 'research" this myself? Doubtful --
I've *never* yet been able to comprehend the
ins and outs of serial communications, so much
so that even after a few years of using kermit
for my isp connection, I still get neither color
nor eg french accents. Maybe you have a cookbook
way to enable that stuff, *without* my having to
understand what's behind it?)
(Oh -- all those problems I was having with
Panix, lines dropping after 30 seconds, etc --
after two years of *loud denials*, it turned
out to be *their* problem (telco), which I
have worked-around by simply dialing into 718
or 212 (phone company tells me that with my
"plan", the cost is identical to dialing 914;
is, is a "local" call. (Why did I wait so
long to try 212 or 718? Stupidity, I guess,
but aided by their continuing protestations
that it was all my fault, which I believed --
just more evidence of stupidity!))
Thanks!
David Combs
PS: am now using sparcstation 5, will switch
to blade (has solaris 9) once I can successfully
dial into the isp (successfully).